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Permalink Reply by Steve W on February 9, 2010 at 2:14pm

Bruce,
Oh you are one of those silver spoon boys who never had to do factory work. I should have known where you got the "Beck Speak" attitude. I am glad to see that you recognize that it was GM management that screwed the company and the Unions just went along for the ride. It was GM management that wanted SUVs. It was GM management that gave themselves 7 figure incomes while the company fell behind manufacturers in Japan and Germany. It was GM management that did not want to institute efficiencies and modify contracts because they were scared to death of a strike that might slow their gravy train. It was GM management that came to Washington in gold-plated jets asking for taxpayer dollars to bail out their retirement bonuses. They were scared to death of a bankruptcy that would take it all away! No it was not unions that ruined GM. It was Rick Wagoner, Roger Smith, Bob Lutz, etc. and the rest going back into the 80s. Take out the video Wall Street sometime and listen to Gordon Gecko's speech to the paper company management and you might get the picture.
It seems to me that you have a real problem with logic and factual argumentation. First you criticize the "morons" who do the actual work then you admit that management was making major mistakes for 30 years? Which is it?
You think that anyone who agrees with free labor unions must be a left wing fanatic. I suppose that one gets that attitude in places like Gross Point, Bloomfield Hills or Birmingham. I wonder how the property values are holding up there today? Remember this. The biggest "haters" of American style Unions are the Communist Chinese. Does that make you a Communist because you feel the same way? Also, free labor unions exist in all the German auto factories but they manage to make great cars and remain profitable. Honda and Toyota have free Labor Unions. How do they do it? I will give you a hint. They are not under GM or Chrysler Management.
How do you like that concept?


Bruce Wiseley said:

My Father worked for GM for over 40 years, retiring as the Senior Vice President of GM Propertys. The upper mgmt. at GM were too stubborn or stupid back in the late 70's/and early 80's to realize that the folks in Japan think in decades not years. GM shot themselves in the foot, and didn't care to change their way of doing business. BUT< like any other business in the US, when you fail you declare BK, and not have the people's tax dollars pay to keep them afloat and failing!!! GM should have filed BK, reorganized; cancelled the union contracts, and started over, with everyone being paid a fair and reasonable salary. Remember you idiot, the fish stinks from the head down!, and My Father used to tell me how and why we pay $20,000 for a car that's cheaper to build than it was 10 years ago. When you pay these union morons to sit on the BENCH, and collect full pay, what do you think will happen. If you're going to continue to spout your LEFT WING crap, please at least attempt to obtain a few facts before posting. Gee, what a concept!
Steve W said:

Money, I think you have entered the area of baseless propaganda. Where is your proof that union salaries have reached the stratospheric levels that force poor old CEOs to increase pay for management? What unionized workers make $300,000? Please leave a credible citation if you wish to maintain any believability. I will be happy to apologize if you have real data.
Besides, why would any manager agree to giving the worker a $300k salary unless they were defense contractors? You cannot be talking about the auto industry here.

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Permalink Reply by Bruce Wiseley on February 9, 2010 at 2:27pm

Actually Steve, I grew up within the city limits, by Grand River and Six Mile! There were plenty of mistakes made to go around, and it seems to me that the public sure kept buying those SUV's didn't they. Maybe you should take your Prius to the dealer quick, lol, don't you love that mess? The city and workers of Detroit screwed up the most, and when you put the type of people in charge who are and have been in charge there, well, now you see. Kind of like what's happening in DC now with the spodas in charge?! Then add that idiot Granholm, and it's going to be a race to see if Michigan or California fails first. But that was a nice try to lump me in with the suburbs, typical east sider!!!

Steve W said:

Bruce,
Oh you are one of those silver spoon boys who never had to do factory work. I should have known where you got the "Beck Speak" attitude. I am glad to see that you recognize that it was GM management that screwed the company and the Unions just went along for the ride. It was GM management that wanted SUVs. It was GM management that gave themselves 7 figure incomes while the company fell behind manufacturers in Japan and Germany. It was GM management that did not want to institute efficiencies and modify contracts because they were scared to death of a strike that might slow their gravy train. It was GM management that came to Washington in gold-plated jets asking for taxpayer dollars to bail out their retirement bonuses. They were scared to death of a bankruptcy that would take it all away! No it was not unions that ruined GM. It was Rick Wagoner, Roger, Bob Lutz, etc. and the rest going back into the 80s. Take out the video Wall Street sometime and listen to Gordon Gecko's speech to the paper company management and you might get the picture.
It seems to me that you have a real problem with logic and factual argumentation. First you criticize the "morons" who do the actual work then you admit that management was making major mistakes for 30 years? Which is it?
You think that anyone who agrees with free labor unions must be a left wing fanatic. I suppose that one gets that attitude in places like Gross Point, Bloomfield Hills or Birmingham. I wonder how the property values are holding up there today? Remember this. The biggest "haters" of American style Unions are the Communist Chinese. Does that make you a Communist because you feel the same way? Also, free labor unions exist in all the German auto factories but they manage to make great cars and remain profitable. Honda and Toyota have free Labor Unions. How do they do it? I will give you a hint. They are not under GM or Chrysler Management.


Bruce Wiseley said:

My Father worked for GM for over 40 years, retiring as the Senior Vice President of GM Propertys. The upper mgmt. at GM were too stubborn or stupid back in the late 70's/and early 80's to realize that the folks in Japan think in decades not years. GM shot themselves in the foot, and didn't care to change their way of doing business. BUT< like any other business in the US, when you fail you declare BK, and not have the people's tax dollars pay to keep them afloat and failing!!! GM should have filed BK, reorganized; cancelled the union contracts, and started over, with everyone being paid a fair and reasonable salary. Remember you idiot, the fish stinks from the head down!, and My Father used to tell me how and why we pay $20,000 for a car that's cheaper to build than it was 10 years ago. When you pay these union morons to sit on the BENCH, and collect full pay, what do you think will happen. If you're going to continue to spout your LEFT WING crap, please at least attempt to obtain a few facts before posting. Gee, what a concept!
Steve W said:

Money, I think you have entered the area of baseless propaganda. Where is your proof that union salaries have reached the stratospheric levels that force poor old CEOs to increase pay for management? What unionized workers make $300,000? Please leave a credible citation if you wish to maintain any believability. I will be happy to apologize if you have real data.
Besides, why would any manager agree to giving the worker a $300k salary unless they were defense contractors? You cannot be talking about the auto industry here.

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Permalink Reply by Steve W on February 9, 2010 at 4:26pm

Bruce,
Actually I drive old Mercedes and Porsche s that I maintain myself. Even with 150k on the clock I trust them more than what was made by Detroiters yesterday! LOL I don't do Rice burners. Yes, Madison Avenue sure convinced the simple folks that those modified pickup trucks called SUVs were a good bet. While their were plenty of mistakes to go around only management was in charge. Since you were probably not in the military like me, let me explain how responsibility and command work. When you are the leader whatever happens is your responsibility. Got it!
Also, I am from Plymouth so can the "east sider " stuff! I apologize for lumpimg you with the Grosse Point crowd. You were making so much noise about Daddy being a GM bigwig that I got confused.
Bye the way, what is a SPODA? I only speak English, Spanish, Italian, and some Russian that I learned on vacation with a 3 letter agency. Your term is a new one to me.

Bruce Wiseley said:

Actually Steve, I grew up within the city limits, by Grand River and Six Mile! There were plenty of mistakes made to go around, and it seems to me that the public sure kept buying those SUV's didn't they. Maybe you should take your Prius to the dealer quick, lol, don't you love that mess? The city and workers of Detroit screwed up the most, and when you put the type of people in charge who are and have been in charge there, well, now you see. Kind of like what's happening in DC now with the spodas in charge?! Then add that idiot Granholm, and it's going to be a race to see if Michigan or California fails first. But that was a nice try to lump me in with the suburbs, typical east sider!!!
Steve W said:

Bruce,
Oh you are one of those silver spoon boys who never had to do factory work. I should have known where you got the "Beck Speak" attitude. I am glad to see that you recognize that it was GM management that screwed the company and the Unions just went along for the ride. It was GM management that wanted SUVs. It was GM management that gave themselves 7 figure incomes while the company fell behind manufacturers in Japan and Germany. It was GM management that did not want to institute efficiencies and modify contracts because they were scared to death of a strike that might slow their gravy train. It was GM management that came to Washington in gold-plated jets asking for taxpayer dollars to bail out their retirement bonuses. They were scared to death of a bankruptcy that would take it all away! No it was not unions that ruined GM. It was Rick Wagoner, Roger, Bob Lutz, etc. and the rest going back into the 80s. Take out the video Wall Street sometime and listen to Gordon Gecko's speech to the paper company management and you might get the picture.
It seems to me that you have a real problem with logic and factual argumentation. First you criticize the "morons" who do the actual work then you admit that management was making major mistakes for 30 years? Which is it?
You think that anyone who agrees with free labor unions must be a left wing fanatic. I suppose that one gets that attitude in places like Gross Point, Bloomfield Hills or Birmingham. I wonder how the property values are holding up there today? Remember this. The biggest "haters" of American style Unions are the Communist Chinese. Does that make you a Communist because you feel the same way? Also, free labor unions exist in all the German auto factories but they manage to make great cars and remain profitable. Honda and Toyota have free Labor Unions. How do they do it? I will give you a hint. They are not under GM or Chrysler Management.


Bruce Wiseley said:

My Father worked for GM for over 40 years, retiring as the Senior Vice President of GM Propertys. The upper mgmt. at GM were too stubborn or stupid back in the late 70's/and early 80's to realize that the folks in Japan think in decades not years. GM shot themselves in the foot, and didn't care to change their way of doing business. BUT< like any other business in the US, when you fail you declare BK, and not have the people's tax dollars pay to keep them afloat and failing!!! GM should have filed BK, reorganized; cancelled the union contracts, and started over, with everyone being paid a fair and reasonable salary. Remember you idiot, the fish stinks from the head down!, and My Father used to tell me how and why we pay $20,000 for a car that's cheaper to build than it was 10 years ago. When you pay these union morons to sit on the BENCH, and collect full pay, what do you think will happen. If you're going to continue to spout your LEFT WING crap, please at least attempt to obtain a few facts before posting. Gee, what a concept!
Steve W said:

Money, I think you have entered the area of baseless propaganda. Where is your proof that union salaries have reached the stratospheric levels that force poor old CEOs to increase pay for management? What unionized workers make $300,000? Please leave a credible citation if you wish to maintain any believability. I will be happy to apologize if you have real data.
Besides, why would any manager agree to giving the worker a $300k salary unless they were defense contractors? You cannot be talking about the auto industry here.

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Permalink Reply by Lureuin on February 9, 2010 at 4:52pm

It is a derogatory term, used by ignorant people, for a black person.

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Permalink Reply by Bruce Wiseley on February 9, 2010 at 5:01pm

Well Steve, you're still o for 3. I retired from the Army in 1996 as a First Sgt.! I was also assigned to that little company in Langley Virginia, as a TDY person. My Primary MOS was 18D, and 91B, 91C, so... Interesting that you are from Plymouth, and never had to deal with the streets unless you decided to visit. And the term spoda comes from a slang for this area (Western NY), which pretty much describes the majority of Detroit's population. But I digress; GM and Ford should have done what Reagan did to those idiots at the ATC union, who thought they could dictate what and when, so he just eliminated them, and started over. If the management at the car companys had done the same, those two losers, who we were told were, "Too big to fail", would have recovered, and we wouldn't be paying for them now. Don't you think the former union workers would have been re-hired, because they knew how to do the job, and the union heads would have been gone. Problem solved.

Steve W said:

Bruce,
Actually I drive old Mercedes and Porsche s that I maintain myself. Even with 150k on the clock I trust them more than what was made by Detroiters yesterday! LOL I don't do Rice burners. Yes, Madison Avenue sure convinced the simple folks that those modified pickup trucks called SUVs were a good bet. While their were plenty of mistakes to go around only management was in charge. Since you were probably not in the military like me, let me explain how responsibility and command work. When you are the leader whatever happens is your responsibility. Got it!
Also, I am from Plymouth so can the "east sider " stuff! I apologize for lumpimg you with the Grosse Point crowd. You were making so much noise about Daddy being a GM bigwig that I got confused.
Bye the way, what is a SPODA? I only speak English, Spanish, Italian, and some Russian that I learned on vacation with a 3 letter agency. Your term is a new one to me.

Bruce Wiseley said:

Actually Steve, I grew up within the city limits, by Grand River and Six Mile! There were plenty of mistakes made to go around, and it seems to me that the public sure kept buying those SUV's didn't they. Maybe you should take your Prius to the dealer quick, lol, don't you love that mess? The city and workers of Detroit screwed up the most, and when you put the type of people in charge who are and have been in charge there, well, now you see. Kind of like what's happening in DC now with the spodas in charge?! Then add that idiot Granholm, and it's going to be a race to see if Michigan or California fails first. But that was a nice try to lump me in with the suburbs, typical east sider!!!
Steve W said:

Bruce,
Oh you are one of those silver spoon boys who never had to do factory work. I should have known where you got the "Beck Speak" attitude. I am glad to see that you recognize that it was GM management that screwed the company and the Unions just went along for the ride. It was GM management that wanted SUVs. It was GM management that gave themselves 7 figure incomes while the company fell behind manufacturers in Japan and Germany. It was GM management that did not want to institute efficiencies and modify contracts because they were scared to death of a strike that might slow their gravy train. It was GM management that came to Washington in gold-plated jets asking for taxpayer dollars to bail out their retirement bonuses. They were scared to death of a bankruptcy that would take it all away! No it was not unions that ruined GM. It was Rick Wagoner, Roger, Bob Lutz, etc. and the rest going back into the 80s. Take out the video Wall Street sometime and listen to Gordon Gecko's speech to the paper company management and you might get the picture.
It seems to me that you have a real problem with logic and factual argumentation. First you criticize the "morons" who do the actual work then you admit that management was making major mistakes for 30 years? Which is it?
You think that anyone who agrees with free labor unions must be a left wing fanatic. I suppose that one gets that attitude in places like Gross Point, Bloomfield Hills or Birmingham. I wonder how the property values are holding up there today? Remember this. The biggest "haters" of American style Unions are the Communist Chinese. Does that make you a Communist because you feel the same way? Also, free labor unions exist in all the German auto factories but they manage to make great cars and remain profitable. Honda and Toyota have free Labor Unions. How do they do it? I will give you a hint. They are not under GM or Chrysler Management.


Bruce Wiseley said:

My Father worked for GM for over 40 years, retiring as the Senior Vice President of GM Propertys. The upper mgmt. at GM were too stubborn or stupid back in the late 70's/and early 80's to realize that the folks in Japan think in decades not years. GM shot themselves in the foot, and didn't care to change their way of doing business. BUT< like any other business in the US, when you fail you declare BK, and not have the people's tax dollars pay to keep them afloat and failing!!! GM should have filed BK, reorganized; cancelled the union contracts, and started over, with everyone being paid a fair and reasonable salary. Remember you idiot, the fish stinks from the head down!, and My Father used to tell me how and why we pay $20,000 for a car that's cheaper to build than it was 10 years ago. When you pay these union morons to sit on the BENCH, and collect full pay, what do you think will happen. If you're going to continue to spout your LEFT WING crap, please at least attempt to obtain a few facts before posting. Gee, what a concept!
Steve W said:

Money, I think you have entered the area of baseless propaganda. Where is your proof that union salaries have reached the stratospheric levels that force poor old CEOs to increase pay for management? What unionized workers make $300,000? Please leave a credible citation if you wish to maintain any believability. I will be happy to apologize if you have real data.
Besides, why would any manager agree to giving the worker a $300k salary unless they were defense contractors? You cannot be talking about the auto industry here.

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Permalink Reply by Steve W on February 9, 2010 at 5:26pm

Bruce,
Well, Top, I am sorry to hear that all your military experience failed to cure you of crimson nape disease. I would have thought that your experiences in this area had convinced you that it is the quality of a person's character and not the hue of his skin that matters. Most of my friends would learn that as soon as they got into the paddys west of Chu Lai. Bye the way, most of the President's cabinet has very pale complexion so you can relax with the bed sheet talk.
You are right about people from Plymouth never having to deal with the racial issues and the problems of Detroit. The place was strictly segregated even into the 60s when I was growing up there.
However, most of us with half a brain knew that what was going on was a gross injustice that benefited no one.

Bruce Wiseley said:

Well Steve, you're still o for 3. I retired from the Army in 1996 as a First Sgt.! I was also assigned to that little company in Langley Virginia, as a TDY person. My Primary MOS was 18D, and 91B, 91C, so... Interesting that you are from Plymouth, and never had to deal with the streets unless you decided to visit. And the term spoda comes from a slang for this area (Western NY), which pretty much describes the majority of Detroit's population. But I digress; GM and Ford should have done what Reagan did to those idiots at the ATC union, who thought they could dictate what and when, so he just eliminated them, and started over. If the management at the car companys had done the same, those two losers, who we were told were, "Too big to fail", would have recovered, and we wouldn't be paying for them now. Don't you think the former union workers would have been re-hired, because they knew how to do the job, and the union heads would have been gone. Problem solved.

Steve W said:

Bruce,
Actually I drive old Mercedes and Porsche s that I maintain myself. Even with 150k on the clock I trust them more than what was made by Detroiters yesterday! LOL I don't do Rice burners. Yes, Madison Avenue sure convinced the simple folks that those modified pickup trucks called SUVs were a good bet. While their were plenty of mistakes to go around only management was in charge. Since you were probably not in the military like me, let me explain how responsibility and command work. When you are the leader whatever happens is your responsibility. Got it!
Also, I am from Plymouth so can the "east sider " stuff! I apologize for lumpimg you with the Grosse Point crowd. You were making so much noise about Daddy being a GM bigwig that I got confused.
Bye the way, what is a SPODA? I only speak English, Spanish, Italian, and some Russian that I learned on vacation with a 3 letter agency. Your term is a new one to me.

Bruce Wiseley said:

Actually Steve, I grew up within the city limits, by Grand River and Six Mile! There were plenty of mistakes made to go around, and it seems to me that the public sure kept buying those SUV's didn't they. Maybe you should take your Prius to the dealer quick, lol, don't you love that mess? The city and workers of Detroit screwed up the most, and when you put the type of people in charge who are and have been in charge there, well, now you see. Kind of like what's happening in DC now with the spodas in charge?! Then add that idiot Granholm, and it's going to be a race to see if Michigan or California fails first. But that was a nice try to lump me in with the suburbs, typical east sider!!!
Steve W said:

Bruce,
Oh you are one of those silver spoon boys who never had to do factory work. I should have known where you got the "Beck Speak" attitude. I am glad to see that you recognize that it was GM management that screwed the company and the Unions just went along for the ride. It was GM management that wanted SUVs. It was GM management that gave themselves 7 figure incomes while the company fell behind manufacturers in Japan and Germany. It was GM management that did not want to institute efficiencies and modify contracts because they were scared to death of a strike that might slow their gravy train. It was GM management that came to Washington in gold-plated jets asking for taxpayer dollars to bail out their retirement bonuses. They were scared to death of a bankruptcy that would take it all away! No it was not unions that ruined GM. It was Rick Wagoner, Roger, Bob Lutz, etc. and the rest going back into the 80s. Take out the video Wall Street sometime and listen to Gordon Gecko's speech to the paper company management and you might get the picture.
It seems to me that you have a real problem with logic and factual argumentation. First you criticize the "morons" who do the actual work then you admit that management was making major mistakes for 30 years? Which is it?
You think that anyone who agrees with free labor unions must be a left wing fanatic. I suppose that one gets that attitude in places like Gross Point, Bloomfield Hills or Birmingham. I wonder how the property values are holding up there today? Remember this. The biggest "haters" of American style Unions are the Communist Chinese. Does that make you a Communist because you feel the same way? Also, free labor unions exist in all the German auto factories but they manage to make great cars and remain profitable. Honda and Toyota have free Labor Unions. How do they do it? I will give you a hint. They are not under GM or Chrysler Management.


Bruce Wiseley said:

My Father worked for GM for over 40 years, retiring as the Senior Vice President of GM Propertys. The upper mgmt. at GM were too stubborn or stupid back in the late 70's/and early 80's to realize that the folks in Japan think in decades not years. GM shot themselves in the foot, and didn't care to change their way of doing business. BUT< like any other business in the US, when you fail you declare BK, and not have the people's tax dollars pay to keep them afloat and failing!!! GM should have filed BK, reorganized; cancelled the union contracts, and started over, with everyone being paid a fair and reasonable salary. Remember you idiot, the fish stinks from the head down!, and My Father used to tell me how and why we pay $20,000 for a car that's cheaper to build than it was 10 years ago. When you pay these union morons to sit on the BENCH, and collect full pay, what do you think will happen. If you're going to continue to spout your LEFT WING crap, please at least attempt to obtain a few facts before posting. Gee, what a concept!
Steve W said:

Money, I think you have entered the area of baseless propaganda. Where is your proof that union salaries have reached the stratospheric levels that force poor old CEOs to increase pay for management? What unionized workers make $300,000? Please leave a credible citation if you wish to maintain any believability. I will be happy to apologize if you have real data.
Besides, why would any manager agree to giving the worker a $300k salary unless they were defense contractors? You cannot be talking about the auto industry here.

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Permalink Reply by Ike on February 9, 2010 at 6:30pm

I was going to reply to you Bruce, but by your own words I know you have not had my experiences in life. My experiences were terrible, but I don't hold the hate for my fellow man, as you seem to do. I know most people are a product of their experiences in life (from Steve). Mine must have been the opposite of yours. I am happy you never had to experience my childhood (till 25 or so). My dad also worked at GM for about 1 & 1/2 yrs. (0.80+ to 0.91 cents/hr). We had to go back to fields (cotton, spuds, grapes, fruit etc.) to support a family of 5 children (all of us worked including my poor mother). If you really want to try and understand the other side, I will gladly exchange private e-mails with you. We both may learn something we did not know. By the way, I am Scott/Irish. We do seem to have 1 thing in common-----I enjoy the company of a dog--lol

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Permalink Reply by True Money on February 9, 2010 at 11:18pm

Steve W., I must continue to ask how much is too much?! If your sister has 35+ years as a flight attendant, she is simply one of those that has mismanaged her money and/or is milking the system! The non-union flight attendants with my company top out at around $48 per hour after 10 1/2 years of seniority. Add to that, they receive between $1.50 and $5.00 per hour per diem to do nothing! If she is working with a similar pay structure, she is making $70,000 to $100,000 per year! There is no excuse for her having to work now. I make less than $20 per hour gross, don't get paid per diem, pay 23% of my before tax income to 401k, pay my taxes, to live off of less than $8 per hour bring home! Are you trying to tell me that your sister cannot pay her bills when she makes almost 3 times as much as I do? Sorry! No excuses on this one!

-True Money!

Steve W said:

Money,
Airline pilots like Sullenberger saved the lives of over a hundred people not long ago. I had no idea that you were using airline pilots and professional athletes as examples to tar the entire union movement. These folks are such a minuscule part of union membership that they are hardly a representative sample. That having been said, I agree that these people are vastly overpaid. I have a feeling that this will change in the future. I do not believe that new-hire pilots get this kind of cash. Have you checked into the pay that my sister gets as a unionized stewardess with 35+ years of experience? She can barely pay the bills.
My father was one of those guys who retired in 1981. At that time he was a senior captain on 727-200s and was making 80k. I think he was earning the pay back then.

True Money said:

Airline Pilots, Major League Baseball Players, NHL players, NFL players, NBA players, etc.. The list goes on and on. The problem with the professional athletes is that their bottom pay is more than that $300,000.00 level. Just so you know how precise I am, the Boeing 777 captains make more than the Boeing 747 captains due to the higher profitability of the Boeing 777 aircraft.
-True Money!
Steve W said:

Money, I think you have entered the area of baseless propaganda. Where is your proof that union salaries have reached the stratospheric levels that force poor old CEOs to increase pay for management? What unionized workers make $300,000? Please leave a credible citation if you wish to maintain any believability. I will be happy to apologize if you have real data.
Besides, why would any manager agree to giving the worker a $300k salary unless they were defense contractors? You cannot be talking about the auto industry here.

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Permalink Reply by True Money on February 10, 2010 at 1:47am

Another thing I would like to add to the previous thread is my part in saving lives as Captain Sullenberger did. Yes, he did a tremendous job and I truly commend him. However, my job responsibilities include the safety of the same lives of these passengers and many more than any pilot each day. We have to ensure that every aircraft is correctly loaded to ensure that it is not overweight and will remain safely balanced throughout the entire flight. We have the same agenda, the safety of the passengers.

-True Money!

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Permalink Reply by Bruce Wiseley on February 10, 2010 at 1:48pm

Sorry to mis-represent myself Ike; I actually don't judge idiots by the color of their skin, only by their words and actions! I may have been lucky enough to have been born into a Family who could afford anything, but I still had to buy my first car, and I didn't even get the GM discount, lol! Also Ike, my Mother died when I was 18, and she was only 40; My Father (?) was doing my old babysitter, whose parents happen to live next door; I've been on my own since I was 17; joined the Army without a High School Diploma, and subsequently have received three college degrees by doing the WORK, not from some government hand-out. Maybe you should quit having a pity party, and suck it up. Or serve some cheese with that whine! My Father, who happened to be a white guy, was the past president of the Detroit Urban League. Please feel free to look it up. Back in the 60's, before she passed away, My Mother told me that A-holes come in all colors, in fact, color has nothing to do with it! Please don't lump me into a catagory that the left=wingers alwayd do when they run out of material for their weak arguements. That term SPODA was explained to me by a bigot form Western NY, where I'm now stuck living, and I had never heard the term before, and being from Detroit, I had met a couple of dark skinned people, gee... Private conversations are a waste of time. If it can't be said in a public forum, then it's probably irrelevent! And yes, our King Charles Spaniel is a great dog. Maybe a little dopey, but a good boy. Have a great day.

Ike said:

I was going to reply to you Bruce, but by your own words I know you have not had my experiences in life. My experiences were terrible, but I don't hold the hate for my fellow man, as you seem to do. I know most people are a product of their experiences in life (from Steve). Mine must have been the opposite of yours. I am happy you never had to experience my childhood (till 25 or so). My dad also worked at GM for about 1 & 1/2 yrs. (0.80+ to 0.91 cents/hr). We had to go back to fields (cotton, spuds, grapes, fruit etc.) to support a family of 5 children (all of us worked including my poor mother). If you really want to try and understand the other side, I will gladly exchange private e-mails with you. We both may learn something we did not know. By the way, I am Scott/Irish. We do seem to have 1 thing in common-----I enjoy the company of a dog--lol

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Permalink Reply by Ike on February 10, 2010 at 2:38pm

"My Mother told me that A-holes come in all colors" --you said that not me. Sorry you are not willing to @ least listen. Both our lives might be enriched. Thanks for the reply anyway----Ike

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Permalink Reply by Bruce Wiseley on February 10, 2010 at 2:58pm

If that's the best retort you can come up with, then it wouldn't be a fair arguement. You seem to have missed the point regarding the statement my Mother was making, how sad!? Maybe you should open a church. I may not have much money, but I'm a very rich man!

Ike said:

"My Mother told me that A-holes come in all colors" --you said that not me. Sorry you are not willing to @ least listen. Both our lives might be enriched. Thanks for the reply anyway----Ike

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